Gorgias

Gorgias

Plato Walter Hamilton Chris Emlyn-Jones / May 30, 2020
Gorgias Taking the form of a dialogue between Socrates Gorgias Polus and Callicles GORGIAS debates perennial questions about the nature of government and those who aspire to public office Are high moral st
  • Title: Gorgias
  • Author: Plato Walter Hamilton Chris Emlyn-Jones
  • ISBN: 9780140449044
  • Page: 188
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  • Taking the form of a dialogue between Socrates, Gorgias, Polus and Callicles, GORGIAS debates perennial questions about the nature of government and those who aspire to public office Are high moral standards essential or should we give our preference to the pragmatist who gets things done or negotiates successfully Should individuals be motivated by a desire for personalTaking the form of a dialogue between Socrates, Gorgias, Polus and Callicles, GORGIAS debates perennial questions about the nature of government and those who aspire to public office Are high moral standards essential or should we give our preference to the pragmatist who gets things done or negotiates successfully Should individuals be motivated by a desire for personal power and prestige, or genuine concern for the moral betterment of the citizens These questions go to the heart of Athenian democratic principles and are relevant than ever in today s political climate.
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        Greek Arabic Alternate Spelling Plat n, Platone Plato is a Classical Greek philosopher, mathematician, student of Socrates, writer of philosophical dialogues, and founder of the Academy in Athens, the first institution of higher learning in the Western world Along with his mentor, Socrates, and his student, Aristotle, Plato helped to lay the foundations of Western philosophy and science.Plato is one of the most important Western philosophers, exerting influence on virtually every figure in philosophy after him His dialogue The Republic is known as the first comprehensive work on political philosophy Plato also contributed foundationally to ethics, metaphysics, and epistemology His student, Aristotle, is also an extremely influential philosopher and the tutor of Alexander the Great of Macedonia.

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    1. A Starker DialogueGorgias is very similar in structure, content, focus and argument with the Republic In fact, it comes across almost a half formed version of it, and scholars argue that it is in many ways like an early sketch for Republic But unlike the Republic, which forays into metaphysics and utopias, the argument in Gorgias is anchored very much in this world, and, again in contrast to Republic where everyone seems persuaded in the end, Gorgias leaves us in the dark as to whether Socrates [...]


    2. What is rhetoric Yes, the dialogue will turn around this issue, but not only I literally loved it The reflections are vivid, the text is dramatic, and one is really taken in the story One imagines to be in the place of Callicles and to debate or to be in the place of Socrates We also speak here of the beautiful and the ugly, the just and the unjust, the injustice, the power in many forms and also the soul Contrary to what one might think, the choice of subjects is very varied.In terms of injusti [...]


    3. Well, if one was to sum up, it would be hard to go past Plato s own summary And of all that has been said, nothing remains unshaken but the saying, that to do injustice is to be avoided than to suffer injustice, and that the reality and not the appearance of virtue is to be followed above all things, as well in public as in private life and that when any one has been wrong in anything, he is to be chastised, and that the next best thing to a man being just is that he should become just, and be [...]


    4. We should devote all our own and our community s energies towards ensuring the presence of justice and self discipline, and so guaranteeing happiness.So Socrates wanted to make Athens great again and along the way gave the pundits and consultants the what for His argument is measured and allows the three stooges to defeat their own assertions in fits of bumbling exasperation The virtues of work and health are explored with nary a word about the lamp above the Golden Door This notion of moderatio [...]


    5. This book is a masterpiece It includes a critical text, and a line by line philological commentary But even the reader without Greek will learn an enormous amount about Plato and related topics by reading it alongside a translation just skip all the entries dealing with purely philological matters.It is often said that the best commentary on Aristotle is Aristotle Hence, important commentaries on Aristotle spend most of their time quoting in Greek other passages from Aristotle The same is true f [...]


    6. What I recall about Gorgias again from my sopho university philosophy class was that there was a lengthy discussion of orators and how they are able to dupe audiences even folks technical than the orator him herself That sounds eerily relevant right now given that 1.7M people voted against the Commander and Thief who in 2012 criticised the very electoral college to which he owes his election His campaign promises were all smoke and mirrors as Gorgias delightfully admits to in his dialog Perhaps [...]


    7. An excellent example of philosophy justifying itself.Everybody has heard the whole cranky, rather arrogant and patronizing remark made when someone who doesn t read very much or doesn t read for pleasure or instruction feels like scoffing a bit Why are you reading this boring old stuff Philosophy s good when you re younger, and you don t know anything, but once you become a real adult you should just let that stuff go It s interesting that Socrates calls Gorgias out for basically making that cas [...]


    8. This is one of Plato s interesting dialogues, if only because in this case the dialogue breaks down Callicles just cannot seem to accept Socrates s notion that it is better to have evil done to oneself than to commit evil He agrees with the questions which are put to him, but then he keeps going back to the notion that hedonism is really preferable to morality.Socrates even looks forward to his own trial and death At one point, he says You ve already told me often enough that anyone who wants t [...]


    9. Plato on the virtuous life7 August 2011 Athens It is difficult to put a date of composition to such a text, though internal comments can assist us with determining when it was written While I do not consider myself an expert on Plato, I would consider this text to be one of his earlier writings as he seems to be recording an earlier conversation as opposed to using Socrates to be a mouthpiece for his own philosophy A lot have been written on Plato s dialogues, which tend to be philosophical disc [...]


    10. Gorgias, Plato, Walter Hamilton Translator , Chris Emlyn Jones Commentary Harmondsworth Penguin Books, 1960 1339, In 149 Pages


    11. I throw my token in with Callicles when he said By the gods, Chaerephon, I too have been present at many discussions, but I don t believe that any has ever given me so much pleasure as this If you like to go on talking all day, you are doing me a favor I simply can t get enough of these dialogues I know there are flaws in them, I know that sometimes as especially in the one on oratory the protagonist Socrates gets all the words in edgewise and our dear antagonists do not make a fun enough defens [...]



    12. Gorgias is another Sophist after Protagoras with who Socrates interacts along with Callicles The dialogue is interesting in its premise Plato essentially says that morality is greatly tied with afterlife a reward for being good in this life This is essentially the root of the argument or what Socrates tries to qualify it as one while Callicles comes after him viciously.While Protagoras retires from the argument which goes nowhere , Gorgias simply doesn t participate Gorgias being the seventh dia [...]



    13. Too old to rate Reading this in a yellowed library book, with edges of the pages flaking off and falling into my lap as I read, Gorgias made a strong argument, unintentionally than intentionally, for the uselessness of rhetoric Time has turned Plato s wisdom into despotism and Socrates humility into a shield to hide his philosophy s flaws behind Does Plato still offer anything to teach us today, not merely as history but as genuine philosophy A lot of what he says are certainly good points for [...]


    14. Her ne kadar zaman a m na u ram bir sonuca ba lansa da Platon un Gorgias Ya Da Retorik st ne eseri iyi ile k t n n ne oldu unu derin bir ekilde inceleyen, bunu yaparken de sanat n ne oldu unu a klamaya al arak okuyucunun ufkunu a may ba aran bir kitap Sanat daha ok politikan n vazge ilmez arac retorikle yani s zle etkileme sanat zerinden a klamaya al an kitab n g n m zde bile hala devam eden sanat tart malar na n ayak oldu u bir ger ek Buradan kitab n politikaya da el att n anlamak ok zor de il [...]


    15. Ben hakikaten sevmiyorum bu Platon u ya Gorgias tekrar okuyunca tekrar farkettim imdi kitap elimde de il, zaten sa l kl analizler yapacak halim ve i tiyak m da yok ama zetle yle s yleyebilirim Platon, Sokrates in tart may sanki son derece sistematik ve kulland kavramlar n her birini a k se ik tan mlayarak y r tt gibi bir izlenim vermeye al yor ve fakat asl nda durum hi de yle de il.Platon, Sokrates in muhataplar n kendilerini bir ey sanan avanaklar gibi g sterip duruyor ve Sokrates in, saz eline [...]


    16. Sin duda leer los Di logos de Plat n Atenas, 427 347 a C siempre resulta una tarea estimulante y enriquecedora En Gorgias lo que se discute es el valor que tiene la ret rica Para Plat n, que habla por boca de S crates, no tiene ninguno S crates ve la ret rica como una ch chara que emplean los pol ticos para lisonjear al pueblo, dici ndole lo que este quiere o r y no lo que debe o r, lo que conllevar a un correctivo la mayor a de las veces, pero que permitir a a los mandamases obrar cambios posit [...]


    17. Socrates goes though a mind numbing series of overly long questions about some issues of philosophical import While in the Protagoras Socrates complains about long winded statements, he states in this dialogue that a four sentence response by Polus was a lengthy exposition Unlike Polus, who Socrates treats unfairly, Socrates meets his intellectual match with Callicles Callicles is not bullied into simplistic yes or no answers to questions and to a logic that he finds difficult to follow Callicle [...]


    18. I read this twenty years ago and participated in my first weekend retreat sponsored by the Basic Program of Liberal Education of The University of Chicago It was an exciting weekend as we sat up past midnight discussing Plato s arguments for education and the power of the sophists represented by Gorgias As part of the weekend we watched the film, Educating Rita, and it has become one of my favorites always bringing memories of that weekend and Plato s Gorgias.The familiar saying of Socrates is t [...]


    19. Gorgias is structured in three sections, each section consists of a dialectic argument in dramatic form The main focus is rhetoric and its uses What is rhetoric Is the purpose of rhetoric to win an argument or get to the truth Historical context The 5th century saw the spread of Sophistry and the professional use of rhetoric Law courts were public occasions, Sophists went around giving lessons in law court rhetoric with an end to instructing others on how to get power and hold onto it Rhetoric w [...]


    20. Summary notes Any art or practice that s done merely for the sake of pleasure is a bad art knack A good one craft is done for the sake of goodness In other words, a craft improves think, a dietitian , while a knack only pleases think, a chef Socrates uses rhetoric, a practice which incorporates the art of persuasion into lawmaking, to make this point It is better to suffer wrongdoing than to do wrong oneself Controversial statement Virtue is knowing what s good for you Egocentric moral system Wh [...]


    21. I feel the need to point out that while my ISBN matches, my book only has 149 pages as opposed to the supposed 224, according to I dunno what I m missing out on, but as far as I can tell my book contains all its parts.This book makes a lot of complex arguments, and at times I found it hard to follow There were several occasions where I had to read passages and even whole pages over again because I got lost in the arguments I think the instances where Plato chooses to have Socrates restate previo [...]


    22. Besides the philosophy, which has been much discussed, I also found interesting Socrates s unusual tone in this dialogue He is much fiercer and opinionated than in others, and the whole discussion itself seems like a heated argument than the typical philosophical debate Callicles even goes as far as to say Socrates is on the level of an annoying child for studying philosophy at his age.


    23. It s Plato so it s obviously going to be remarkable from a literary standpoint Plato idolizes his deceased mentor Socrates in this absolutely profound dialogue which is centered around rhetoric its meaning, its use, its significance, and most importantly its moral implications Socrates, throughout the dialogue, delves deep into the world of moral truth and eternal goodness This dialogue, as its own unique genre of literature, explores how temporary pleasures contrasts heavily with actual goodnes [...]


    24. Gorgias um dos livros centrais de Plat o Nele, coloca se o papel do fil sofo diante dos sofistas e a ordem da alma como a fonte para se julgar a pol tica O verdadeiro estadistas n o o que atende aos desejos do povo, mas o que permite que o povo se torne melhor A desordem de Atenas tinha chegado ao n vel que um homem como S crates, que afirma sobretudo a verdade, n o pode ser tolerado pois o jogo agora de apar ncias, de ret rica G rgias e seus seguidores tentam afirmar a justi a como a vontade do [...]


    25. This is my introduction to ancient literature, and a spectacular one at that I did not expect to be engaged in Socrates flawless arguments, repetitive yet ingenious questioning, and shockingly relevant message about the duty of the authentic rhetorician and politician to make people better and lead communities with virtue and self discipline instead of indulging their audience in flattery Although that is the main thread of the dialogue, the rabbit trail arguments about justice, self restraint, [...]


    26. I remember reading this a few years ago, but somehow I decided to rent and read it again and I have to say that I m so freaking happy that I did Now that I m older and perhaps a little bit mature, I now can digest the content and wisdom Gorgias the book itself, duuuh has to offer and I even enjoyed it than I did back then In the whole dialogue it s seems to me that it s pretty clear where I find myself, and sure some arguments took thinking as you go on how could it not , but it was so fascina [...]


    27. If you ve never read Plato, start with Gorgias This extended dialogue lays out many of the foundational principles of democracy and Socrates fiercest critiques of its Athenian implementation and its arguments maintain their relevance today, even as the democratic ideal lists ever drunkenly toward a capitalist bastardization that suppresses and citizens, not least in these United States Walter Hamilton s canonical English translation serves the material well, rendering among my favorite of Soc [...]


    28. Prima recitire Se pune n discu ie rolul filosofiei, scopul i natura retoricii, conceptul de dikaiosyne, problema virtu ii, a binelui, se prezint atribu iile statului i se expune un mit al judec ii de apoi Impresia cu care r m n dup cvasi dialectica lui Socrates cu Kallikles este aceea de p rere de r u pentru impactul negativ pe care l a avut doctrina platonician asupra scrierilor sofistice E bun imaginea pe care mi o ofer fa de sofi ti, dar sunt prea pu ine scrieri sofistice care s mi dea de n e [...]


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